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    08/05/08 at 05:28 PMReply with quote#1

Unfortunately I'll not be making a Quetico trip this year. 
Mrs qp put her foot down shortly after getting wind of my FL paddle in Dec, that will not be including her due to her not getting off work.  Plus a few other areas I'll be paddling yet this year State side. 
Anyway, I was wondering how the new barbless hooks were doing for you guys this year?  Are you catching just as many as before or less.  "Remember catching means getting them in the boat."

My thought's were that the bass and walleyes would be lower totals.  Lakers and northerns I suspect it wouldn't matter as "for me" they tend to swallow the darn hook anyway.

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    08/05/08 at 05:48 PMReply with quote#2

Hey QP

This year was a bad year for us as far as finding the fish in great numbers like we usually do.  We caught few fish compared to other years, however, in the case of barbless hooks, I really can't say that I saw much of a difference.  One nice thing about a barb is that you can play a fish longer.  Without a barb, I felt like I had to get the fish in as fast as I could and keep that line as tight as I could. 

At first I didn't like the barbless idea.  I could just imagine losing half or most of our fish.  That didn't happen.  I use tube jigs and smallmouth seem to get them deep in their throat.  Without the barb, just a slight push and a turn, and the hook came right out.  At the end of the trip I felt a lot better about fish injury.

In fact, here where I live in Arkansas, I have gone barbless fishing for smallmouth in our local rivers.  I seem to lose more fish here using barbless than ususal, maybe they fight different here, but they are really easy to release and that makes me feel good.  Fewer floaters that way.

So for me the bottom line is, I don't really mind barbless at all, except for the fact that you have to take the time to pinch all the barbs down.

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    08/05/08 at 08:13 PMReply with quote#3

Hey Terry ~

The fish in Arkansas do fight differently than the BWCA... I was trying to think of an Arkansas joke to throw in here, but I'm coming up dry  I was going to say something about them not wearing shoes or something, but it just didn't work!

I haven't been up yet into the Quetico, but I'm only two weeks away from my barbless adventure. When we were up on Saganaga, we didn't do too well with our fishing effort. I'm sure we were "doing it wrong", but I wonder if the fishing is off this year more than most years...

I only pinched the barbs down on a few of my lures and replaced the hooks with barbless on the other ones. I bought them online and saved me having to pinch down all my tackle.

I'll keep you all posted on how the fishing is on our coming trip...

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    08/06/08 at 07:02 AMReply with quote#4

Well, we experienced a lot of smallmouth lost due to the barbless hooks. I feel it's because of the way they twist and constantly keep turning directions that the percentage was on their side for the slightest slack in line and coming undone.

Lisa the ranger lady confirmed you can bring barbed hooks with you but whatever is on your line must be barbless. Which was good for us since I didn't go through the hassle of replacing or pinching everything down prior to our trip.

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    08/06/08 at 09:08 AMReply with quote#5

Tom, I think your Arkansas Joke could be something about the Arkansas Smallmouth don't have many teeth, so they don't have as much to hook on to. 

Thought I would help you out.

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    08/06/08 at 10:28 PMReply with quote#6

HA! I certainly can use all the help you can provide  (obviously)!


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    11/05/08 at 10:09 AMReply with quote#7

Now that the season is over, I have been thinking about my final feelings concerning barbless fishing.  I've looked on different message boards and have found little dialogue regarding barbless fishing, whether pro or con.

Like I had posted earlier in this string, I didn't see too much difference using barbless hooks, however we didn't catch the numbers we usually do, and now that the shock of going barbless in Quetico is over, it will be just another rule and a non issue in the coming years.

Since returning from Quetico, I have fished for smallies here in Arkansas several times.  I have gone completely barbless and I have to say that I will always fish that way, and there are several reasons why.

One---Releasing fish is very easy, which causes much less injury to the fish.  Even if the hook is deep, hooks can be removed and the fish swim away from a potentially deadly hook-up.  Makes you feel good to see them swim away insetead of flop around and become turtle bait.

Two---barbless hooks are easier to remove from your bags and equipment when they dig themselves into your gear in the canoe.  Nylon bags, ropes, clothing; we've all gotten a hook deep into our stuff only to be snagged, ripped and torn trying to get a hook with barbs out.  No problem with barbless hooks, even treble hooks.

Three---Barbless hooks remove easily when imbeded into your body.  Enough said.


Here in Arkansas, Smallmouth populations need to be improved, and in my opinion, going barbless would help if everyone fished for them this way.

I never thought I would ever be an advocate for anything, but I am thinking about starting a grass roots movement here for barbless hook fishing in Small Mouth Bass rivers. 

Hmmmmmmmm.....maybe I'll even print T-shirts that say,  "Go Barbless or go home."

Well, you didn't ask for it, but that's the way I feel.

Terry


P.S.  I still wish Quetico hadn't banned live bait.  On that issue, I'm still a bit steamed.

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    04/02/09 at 10:00 AMReply with quote#8

Barbless is definitely the way to go in terms of ease on the fishes and safety for you.  When in the wilderness the last thing you want is a barb impaled in your body. 

If you've caught a real trophy in Quetico you know it's tough to get them in the boat quickly and released painlessly.  40+ inch pike can pose a serious threat to you if you're using a lure w/ 2-3 treble hooks.  I try to use single hook barbless whenever possible just to lessen the chance of hooking myself. 

Alot of folks complain about losing fish to the barbless hooks.  To them I say...catch another one!  You're in Quetico.  If you don't catch enough monster fish to satisfy your appetite you need basic fishing instruction!  Fishes are too easy to catch in Quetico to fret over losing one.  Keep constant pressure and you'll have no problem getting 100% of your fishes to the boat.

Also, if you've ever pulled scales or otiliths on fishes in Quetico you'll find many of them are 20+ years old.  Takes a long time to grow a monster in the boundary waters.  Taking care to quickly release the fishes you don't intend to eat is the best way to preserve this precious resource.

That's my 2 cents.  When is the ice coming off?
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    04/02/09 at 10:24 AMReply with quote#9

I'm with you 100%.  I got irritated at the thought of smashing my barbs, but now I even fish barbless here where I live in Arkansas for smallies.  Even if they get the hook deep it comes right out and they swim away with no floaters.

I've also found that larger fish are easier to boat than small fish.  small ones tend to twist and move so fast that they get off the hook more often than the larger fellows.  that's not a scientific study, just my observation.

Going barbless in Quetico doesn't bother me at all, however I still am a little upset at the fact that you can't use nightcrawlers for Walleye anymore.  Oh well......we still catch a ton of fish.

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    04/03/09 at 12:16 PMReply with quote#10

Just wondering...about live bait in Quetico.  Is it that you cannot "take" live bait in? OR you cannot "use" it?  For example, if you are on a portage trail, and it's a little wet (imagine that) and there are some worms in the puddles...would you pick them up and use them at the next lake?  I probably would...is that unethical?

Of course, I have been guilty for taking 5 dozen crawlers into Quetico in 2005, and did not sacrifice one to the waters of Saganagons...they got a free trip back to Debs.

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    04/03/09 at 12:24 PMReply with quote#11

Unfortunately no live bait period, even if you find it up there.  The only live bait you can use, and it's always accidental, is when you are reeling in a small fish and a Northern chomps on to it right at your boat and takes off with it not wanting to let it go.  That happens all the time.

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    04/03/09 at 05:01 PMReply with quote#12

You mean somethin' like this?...

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    04/03/09 at 06:39 PMReply with quote#13

yikers...that would be awesome!  We're bringing up a newbie this year, and he told us that he wanted to catch a northern....it would be awesome if he even saw something like this...be amazing if he would catch something half that size!

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p.s....I would still hook the worm and fish with it...hunter gatherer thing I guess.

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    04/04/09 at 10:14 AMReply with quote#14

Just don't take your worm box.  Use the worm immediately and be ready to cut your line if you're approached by a canoe with two women in it.  ( you didn't hear me say that )

Tom, I could look at that picture over and over again.  It's just so awesome.

Terry

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    04/04/09 at 03:40 PMReply with quote#15

Boilermaker and I know all about the girls in the canoe. They chased us down last year on Seagull for (accidently)crossing over the boundary line with our 9.9 motor! Pretty strong paddlers!!
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    04/05/09 at 01:45 PMReply with quote#16

Yes, we saw them one year sun bathing in on the small islands near the narrows on Seagull, almost ran into a sunken rock. Then there was the time Paul was casting from the dock dragging the bottom and snagged some bikini bottoms. No sign of the owner however. Those girls get around!

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    04/05/09 at 02:36 PMReply with quote#17

gawalters....you didn't get a ticket did you?

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    04/05/09 at 03:25 PMReply with quote#18

Almost, we talked our way out of it.

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    04/05/09 at 05:19 PMReply with quote#19

Terry -

No ticket - just a warning. We played it all humble and ignorant (easy for me!) Promised not to do it again. We did tell Deb about it so she wouldn't be surprised and she was bugged that they were being a little over-zealous.

Might have been a better story if they were in bikinis!!

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    04/06/09 at 07:24 AMReply with quote#20

You know...now that I think of it, I'm not sure I would want to see the two girls who came to our camp in bikinis. 

Terry

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